I found the Zak and Sam interview, with the help of the Lza.
I first read this almost 2 years ago, and almost died because it’s so mind blowing. Here’s one of my favorite samples:
Zak: It’s like the whole world is rushing through a straw and you’ve poked a hole in the side and there’s a tiny bubble coming out but it’s actually like cycling liquid the whole time, you know, but it’s not dripping down, and you’re in that little bubble.
Cheryl: Is that positive or negative?
Zak: I don’t know. It depends on your personality.
That’s goddamn mind blowing!